Stupid in America

edited October 2007 in General
I came across this nice 20/20 piece in a friend's profile. I already sent it to Jake and Jeff (that's Hammy). What John Stossel says in it makes sense, and I always hate monopolies (unless they're run by Rockefeller). What does everyone else think though? I don't want my thoughts to be clouded by Mr. Stossel's manly moustache and excellent interviewing skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkUjRGnFUe8

Let's not let this turn into a USA VS Everyone Else thread, please.

Comments

  • edited October 2007
    England wastes gallons of ink every year printing unnecessary u's.

    Also, I think American kids just kinda don't care. I know I didn't.
  • edited October 2007
    England is better than America.

    Fact.

    :)
  • edited October 2007
    Nice hlavco! Stolen!
  • edited October 2007
    Since I'm a high school student, ask me some questions I should know. (I wonder what I'm getting myself into).
  • godgod
    edited October 2007
    How often are you stoned at school? Most of the time, or all of the time?
  • edited October 2007
    Should the Prom King and Queen be screwing each other before the Prom, or should they wait until after the coronation
  • edited October 2007
    I guess what I was wondering was how you all feel about less monopolizing unions, rewarding people (teachers, students, and schools) who do well, not rewarding people (teachers, students, and schools) who perform at a subpar level, and having less reliance on an all powerful central government.
  • edited October 2007
    We have that problem in the UK. Unions were too strong. And now the government is forcing schools to give up any excess money they earn.
  • edited October 2007
    Any excess they earn? The public schools? I'm not sure how the school system works across the pond. In the US we have mostly public schools that are gov't funded, and then the private ones that are...privately funded. I don't know if the private ones get any gov't subsidies. Actually, I know absolutely dick about how our education system works. Does anyone...does anyone even know?
  • edited October 2007
    Oh John Stossel. You and your moustache.

    EDIT: Fremont high school is near my house. Parents totally do try to sneak into the public schools nearby. That is a real problem. In fact, the reason we live in the house we live in is because of the public school nearby.
  • edited October 2007
    Any excess they earn? The public schools? I'm not sure how the school system works across the pond. In the US we have mostly public schools that are gov't funded, and then the private ones that are...privately funded. I don't know if the private ones get any gov't subsidies. Actually, I know absolutely dick about how our education system works. Does anyone...does anyone even know?

    It's state by state. There is no national education system. For NY, your property taxes pay for your local school. If you live in NY city or Yonkers, you pay a separate tax that is (mostly) for schools. (I'm not sure what it's called). There is no such thing as excess money in a public school in NY. I'm pretty sure this holds true for up north as well. hlavco?
  • edited October 2007
    I don't know much about it... all I know is we lost half of our sports one year because the parents voted down the budget.
  • edited October 2007
    Then I'll assume it's also property tax. People can't stand that extra 100 bucks a year.

    I'm not even half-way through the video yet, but I already have several problems. For one, they're comparing the grades for High-school students form the US to countries that don't have a compulsory education system past 6th grade. They dump all of their dumb kids early on, so all they have left are the smart ones, naturally their average grades will be higher. Plus, I'm not even sure if I can trust that video of him asking simple questions in the classroom. It wasn't a continuous recording between him asking the simple questions and the kids saying, "I don't know". Now, I'm not trying to say the average kid in the US is smart, there are major issues with education in the US. But this story is majorly biased.
  • edited October 2007
    Behemoth wrote: »
    I'm not even half-way through the video yet, but I already have several problems. For one, they're comparing the grades for High-school students form the US to countries that don't have a compulsory education system past 6th grade. They dump all of their dumb kids early on, so all they have left are the smart ones, naturally their average grades will be higher. Plus, I'm not even sure if I can trust that video of him asking simple questions in the classroom. It wasn't a continuous recording between him asking the simple questions and the kids saying, "I don't know". Now, I'm not trying to say the average kid in the US is smart, there are major issues with education in the US. But this story is majorly biased.

    John Stossel is horribly biased. I've seen his reports before in government class. All of his arguments come down to stripping government powers and giving them to private parties.
  • edited October 2007
    I know, isn't it awesome?

    edit: hehe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C35wyVQxXUA
  • edited October 2007
    Well, I'll give you all the perfect formula for a perfect education system, so you can all go out into the world and create a better tomorrow. Bill gates spent millions(maybe billions, not sure) of his own money just to collect and analyze data about all of the schools in America. I'll have to look this all up later for a good source, but if you see the actual research you'll agree that it is 100% true. The best school have under 500 students, ideally around 350. I'm not positive, but I think it's with a 1:5 teacher:student ratio. A strong music program and high emphasis on foreign languages are essential.

    NOW! The problem. Sports and money. It's not enough students to have any actual teams and building a seperate facility for every 350-500 kids will cost a pretty penny. My solution is to share several of the facilities such as gyms, science labs, cafeterias and land. The way we now seperate grades into elementary, middle, jr high, and sr high schools is how we should seperate the kids into these ideal blocks. You could even have them all within the same building, just in different wings. The students would be seperate enough to maintain their special sense of community and familiarity with each other (this helps everybody stay together. The kids all help each other when they are part of a small community), but you get the benefit of a larger school's resources. the kids would only mix for extra-curricular sports, and maybe during lunch if the scheduling calls for it. The only major money issue is that you still need to hire about 3 times as many teachers.
  • edited October 2007
    I found this video absolutely fascinating! I didn’t realize how much power the NEA held until watching this. There were so many interesting lines. “The school board says it’s almost impossible to fire a teacher” To which a Union Leader says “Our union has actually stepped up to the plate and said ’We’ll police our own profession.’” What interesting rhetoric. Instead of being held accountable like every other profession in life, we’ll “step up” and do the righteous thing and hold more power. Absolutely incredible.

    My God. I know so many teachers that love to teach and are good at what they do, but the old saying holds true. Power corrupts, and it seems the teacher unions have WAY too much clout to be concerned about student success rates! In the last two years only 2 teachers out of 80,000 were fired for incompetence? “Look at the smiles. In exchange for a 15 percent raise, the union made concessions. For example, they agreed to work ten minutes a day longer.” Absolutely amazing.

    Sometimes governments, or in this case monopolies, should be stripped of some power.
  • edited October 2007
    Behemoth wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure this holds true for up north as well. hlavco?

    I feel left out =(
  • edited October 2007
    Why? Who are you?