Wii U

edited June 2011 in Games
Might as well get some discussion rolling. I'm more of a PC guy so this isn't really super meaningful to me but I have an academic interest in consoles for various reasons.

But anyway, new Wii for 2012. New controller is like a mutant baby of a classic controller and an iPad.

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  • edited June 2011
    I've gotta say, I'm a tad disappointed with Nintendo recently. They seem to have forgotten that gaming is about games and not controllers. Though to be fair with this they just seem to want to make a tablet along with everyone else.
  • edited June 2011
    I'm not a huge fan of Nintendo, and I think that lately (i.e. since about 1996) they've been focused more on shovelling out badly-conceived gimmicks than creating something that actually works and is fun to play, but I'm oddly excited about this new console.

    It seems that this time around, instead of pushing out a whole new badly conceived gimmick they took a bunch of their previous gimmicks (screen on the controller from the GBA/GC connectivity thing, touch screen from the DS, motion controls from the Wii) and refined and combined them into something that actually works.

    I think the key is that they made their gimmicks compliment a fairly traditional gaming setup this time around rather than trying to radically alter a core part of that setup (such as when they threw out a regular controller and replaced it with a waggle-stick, or when they designed a controller to appeal to the subset of gamers with three hands.)
  • edited June 2011
    If it turns out to support as many as 4 of these tablet things I will predict a re-release of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles.
  • edited June 2011
    So that'll make what? The 5th one of those?
  • edited June 2011
    I hope there are still Gamecube controller ports even though there won't be Gamecube compatability.
  • edited June 2011
    Crystal Chronicles was for the gamecube and used gameboys for controllers so, it'd be the first remake of that specific game to my knowledge. The price of entry was steep for those who didn't have gameboys or a gamecube.

    Of course I'm gonna hazrd a guess only one tablet controller will be supported and it won't quite support the full effect of that game.
  • edited June 2011
    Wait...DI, what about the N64 and Gamecube was gimmicky in the way that the Wii was gimmicky? The controllers were shaped funny, sure, but the basis of the platforms were still the same basic controls as usual adapted for 3D... unless you're referring to something else?

    As for the Wii U... I've lost my faith in Nintendo, and until they can prove that they can make a system with more than 5 good games, I'll be following it distantly.
  • edited June 2011
    Oh, complete remake of the original Crystal Chronicles (Which coincidentally I just happen to be playing at the moment)? I doubt that'll happen.

    I thought you ment they'd make another Crystal Chronicles game, of which there's like 3 or 4, which is far more likely.
  • edited June 2011
    Wait...DI, what about the N64 and Gamecube was gimmicky in the way that the Wii was gimmicky? The controllers were shaped funny, sure, but the basis of the platforms were still the same basic controls as usual adapted for 3D... unless you're referring to something else?
    The N64 was made for people with three hands.

    The Gamecube wasn't really gimmicky, it was just annoying and badly made. It used a low-capacity disc format for no apparent reason (at least the N64 had the excuse of avoiding loading times) and the controller had a pointlessly confusing button layout (instead of the nice cross layout that had become standard at that point they just put in one huge central button with the rest scattered around it seemingly at random.) It also just felt generally cheap and the insensitivity of its joysticks (huge dead zones on those things) was annoying after I'd been spoiled by the Dual Shock 2.

    Plus the D-pad was pretty much unusable. I got that collectors CD with the old Zelda games and the NES versions were completely unplayable on the GC controller.
  • edited June 2011
    I know most people held the N64 controller by the middle prong, but because I have huge hands, I found it most comfortable to hold the left and right prongs.

    I also found the Gamecube button layout to be quite handy, making it easier to slide your finger across from the A button.
  • edited June 2011
    Illithid: Probably the three-pronged shaped of the N64 controller, not entirely sure what the gimmick with the GameCube was (but probably the GBA/GCN).

    I think the controller design's an odd concept, to say the least. Not that it's practical, or will be necesarily enjoyable, but that it's an intriguing idea.

    EDIT: Whoops, didn't see that DI replied already.
  • edited June 2011
    Wii U Lifespan:

    Shitty Launch Titles, of which the only one worth getting is the new Wii U Sports that comes with the system/controller(Whatever it is)

    People complain about cracking the screen on their controllers after accidentally stepping on them during the golf game.

    A few pretty decent 3rd party games are released, and everyone thinks Nintendo has finally gotten support.

    A really good Mario game is released and everyone declares the system to be the best ever

    Nothing comes out for a looooooooooong time except Shovelware and Angry Birds clones

    Smash bros comes out and everyone wishes it was as good as the last one, then declares it to be better.

    People realize that this is just another Nintendo system and take solace in the fact that they still make games good enough to buy systems for.
  • edited June 2011
    It took me a long time to figure it out, but I'm pretty certain I'm not in Nintendo's demographic anymore. Like the Wii before it, the Wii U looks to be tapping into new markets that will undoubtedly make this another hit bestseller despite the bemoaning from the hardcore crowd.

    My new plan is to not buy any new Nintendo hardware until the second a Smash Bros. game comes out for it. That's literally the only game I give a shit about anymore on Nintendo consoles.
  • edited June 2011
    I think the key difference between this console and the Wii is that the Wii U has both controls and hardware equivalent to the other two consoles, meaning that pretty much all the non-exclusive games released for the Xbox360 and PS3 will probably be ported to it.

    That doesn't mean much if you already have an Xbox360 or PS3, but for those of us who don't (me, for example) it's a pretty big selling feature.
  • edited June 2011
    mario wrote:
    It took me a long time to figure it out, but I'm pretty certain I'm not in Nintendo's demographic anymore. Like the Wii before it, the Wii U looks to be tapping into new markets that will undoubtedly make this another hit bestseller despite the bemoaning from the hardcore crowd.

    My new plan is to not buy any new Nintendo hardware until the second a Smash Bros. game comes out for it. That's literally the only game I give a shit about anymore on Nintendo consoles.

    This, exactly. Smash Bros. That's about it.
  • edited June 2011
    I prefer Mario Kart over Smash Bros actually. Doesn't really matter to me, though. Any console needs to face the value vs. my PC proposition.

    Many people complain that PC gaming is being limited by "lame console ports". From my perspective this is fine. Those poor console users literally cannot play anything better than that. If I'm going to be stuck playing shitty console games I'll at least choose the platform on which better games are possible. A console is actually more expensive for me as well. I'd need to buy an HD TV and a console. Compare this to simply buying a good graphics card for well under $200 that's much more powerful than an older console. The rest of the computer I will already have regardless because I am a computer nerd.

    Under these circumstances I did not and will not ever buy an Xbox or PS3. The Wii, however I own. I cannot play games of that sort on my PC. The Wii U is basically an upgraded Wii. If my Wii ceases to function (possible due to use by small children and careless teenagers) I would consider replacing it with a Wii U.
  • edited June 2011
    There are plenty of good games that you cannot play on PC. PC is not the be-all, end-all solution for gaming, and those who play consoles are not a bunch of lame assholes with poor taste.
  • edited June 2011
    I held the N64 controller in the weirdest way possible and have never seen anyone else holding it the way I do. But I did fine with it.

    And I love the Gamecube controller. I think it's very comfortable. If it had a second Z button on the left side and a better control pad I would have no problems with it.

    As far as PC vs console games, I play console games because I like having a big tv screen and a controller and a couch to sit on. Sure, you could make your computer do all that, but that's too much effort for me. Besides, I don't like to play huge, epic games on my computer because if I'm using the computer I'll be needing to constantly minimize the game to IM people and surf the web simply because I can. So I use my computer to play less immersive games like SimCity 4, Stepmania, and outdated racing games from 2000.
  • edited June 2011
    That's why you should use Steam! Because then you can IM and web surf from the game itself instead of having to minimize anything, still have to bring up the overlay though.
  • edited June 2011
    Pffft. I have 2 screens. That way I can do other stuff while gaming. And my Fancy-pants monitor is actually nicer than most TV's anyway. Actually I used to work with a guy who ran 1 computer with 2 screens and a second whole computer with it's own 3rd screen. Play a game while watching a movie while surfing the internet while IMing people all at the same time.
  • edited June 2011
    XoLore wrote: »
    Pffft. I have 2 screens. That way I can do other stuff while gaming. And my Fancy-pants monitor is actually nicer than most TV's anyway. Actually I used to work with a guy who ran 1 computer with 2 screens and a second whole computer with it's own 3rd screen. Play a game while watching a movie while surfing the internet while IMing people all at the same time.

    playing video games, browsing the web, and watching movies all at once?

    *head explodes from sheer awesomeness*
  • edited June 2011
    Sadly I don't have that kind of desk space.
  • edited June 2011
    I just use my TV as my second monitor.