I like Ron Paul. Who Knew?

Since I know you are all at least aware of Ron Paul, I wanted to share with you this December 16th, anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. And, just like last Tea Party, a bunch of crazy Americans have gotten together in (near) anonymity to throw away millions of dollars.

These links lead to (near) real-time graph sites which suck data directly from the same data feed as the ticker at RonPaul2008.com. If you're not interested in the man with two first names, then go simply for the graphs. They can be used for studies in sociology or something, I don't know. If you are interested in the man with two names, then donate some of your Federal Reserve Notes while they still have value.

The first link has more graphs comparing today (16th December) to the last money bomb day (5th November). The second link has prettier graphs.
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  • edited December 2007
    £6,000,000 in donations for ONE person? What the fuck is that all about? That money could go to such better things. Worst thing is that he'll only get more money thrown at him if he wins the primaries.

    Vote Obama!
  • edited December 2007
    I think elections should be government funded (and only a small stipend, at best) and no outside money should be allowed, not even the candidate's own money.

    These donations should be going to worthwhile charities, not wasteful political wrangling.
  • edited December 2007
    What if your donation helps to elect the greatest president in history who brings and end to all mis-fortune around the world? Are you really willing to chance that not happening?
  • edited December 2007
    Then I'd be more impressed if the candidate won based on their merits rather than the size of their purse.
  • edited December 2007
    You silly. Only girls wear purses.
  • edited December 2007
    So he doesn't want Hilary to win then!
  • edited December 2007
    Thats fine. I don't really want her to win either.
  • edited December 2007
    Ditto. The main reason for all her attention is her husband.
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    edited December 2007
    Really? I thought it was because someone snuck a snuke up her snizz.
  • edited December 2007
    John-

    I have some Ron Paul questions I was hoping you could answer. I already stated my opinions about free trade before, and I want to know more about the basis behind Ron Paul's stance against free trade. I hate being one of those people who takes a strong stance on one side of an issue without really bothering to understand the other side, so I'm trying to correct that.

    I went to his website and clicked the issue American Independence and Sovereignty. I'll just quote what he says on his site.
    So called free trade deals and world governmental organizations like the International Criminal Court (ICC), NAFTA, GATT, WTO, and CAFTA are a threat to our independence as a nation. They transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites.

    The ICC wants to try our soldiers as war criminals. Both the WTO and CAFTA could force Americans to get a doctor’s prescription to take herbs and vitamins. Alternative treatments could be banned.

    The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws, yet we still face trade wars. Today, France is threatening to have U.S. goods taxed throughout Europe. If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs.

    NAFTA’s superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico, called the North American Union. This spawn of powerful special interests, would create a single nation out of Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, with a new unelected bureaucracy and money system. Forget about controlling immigration under this scheme.

    And a free America, with limited, constitutional government, would be gone forever.

    Let’s not forget the UN. It wants to impose a direct tax on us. I successfully fought this move in Congress last year, but if we are going to stop ongoing attempts of this world government body to tax us, we will need leadership from the White House.

    We must withdraw from any organizations and trade deals that infringe upon the freedom and independence of the United States of America.

    Basically, he makes all these statements about how America is getting bitch slapped around for free trade, which I bolded.

    These all sound interesting, because I haven't heard about them. You've said before that you like his economic policy. Do you know anything about these statements? A lot of them are Google-able, and I'm doing that now, but I was wondering if you had anything to add?

    I'm legitimately curious on this. Of course, anyone else who knows anything is free to comment too.
  • edited December 2007
    You know, looking at all that bolded stuff, I guess I'm realizing that I'm into Ron Paul because I just wanted to be into something. I take a lot of what he says at face value without researching it myself. I will also Google these things now.
  • edited December 2007
    Wow, I bet the man would fucking love the EU... Vile repugnant institution that it is.
  • edited December 2007
    Now, in your own opinion, you in fact do NOT like the European Union? Then explain to me why, sir, you have united the entire region under your green flag of war (except for Iceland).

    Seriously though, EU bad? Good? I can't tell if that's sarcasm or sincerity after the ellipses.
  • edited December 2007
    Um, vote Obama 2008.
  • edited December 2007
    Believe me, John, I'm dead fucking serious. The EU is an institution based on deception. It started 50 years ago as a trade bloc, but slowly it has built more power, stolen more sovereignty and imposed more crap on us than you could believe. It's so bad that 80% of our laws are now created by the EU. Not only that, but our government is lying to us about the Lisbon Treaty. We're on a slipper slope of ever-closer union and we're almost at the point of no return.
  • edited December 2007
    Oh shit, so I didn't want to delve into Ron Paul's foreign policy because I'm afraid of conspiracy theories and how they make their supporters seem like nutjobs, but reading through House proposals and UN articles seems exciting compared to my alternative of studying for my damnable CDC test tomorrow. I've found a couple things and when I can make an easy-to-read digest complete with references that aren't hosted on Geocities pages, I will.

    Also Carter, I once heard that if you're a Republican before 35 you have no heart, if you're a Democrat after 35 you have no brain.
  • edited December 2007
    Okay, so, God I love the internet. Like, when you first find out about it you use it for porn, but I think I just used it for what it was originally designed for. I decided to check out the following topic first, because it seemed to me that something like "United Nations Tax" would be an easy thing to find on the internet. A lot of the other bolded items in Ryan's list were acronyms, and as an enlisted military dude I have an aversion to things like that.

    Let’s not forget the UN. It wants to impose a direct tax on us. I successfully fought this move in Congress last year

    So I started out by going to [url=htt[://www.govtrack.us]GovTrack[/url] and finding out exactly where THEY get their information from. Turns out their main source is Thomas, the section of the Library of Congress' website dealing with transparency of the Congress. There I searched for things like "United Nations Tax", and...well...I think that's all I searched for. That yielded a long and imposing list of incomprehensible mumbo-jumbo so I did what felt comfortable to me and searched for Ron Paul's home page on the House website. There it was a simple matter of searching through the list of his press releases (specifically the ones in 2006) until I found the one with the right terminology. "Congress Passes Paul Provision to Reject UN Taxes" seemed to be exactly what I was looking for. A quick perusal of that article expanded on exactly what that meant. Dr. Paul reiterated that he's against the United Nations encroaching on our national sovereignty and gave me access to new terms like "Tobin Tax" and "airline tax".

    Well, I was afraid that a Google search for those terms would yield conspiracy theories and Wikipedia articles, and according to Ron Paul in the above press release the United Nations actually had information about this stuff on their own website, so I went right to the source. A very quick search on the UN Website for Tobin Tax yielded this excerpt from Africa Recovery (now known as Africa Renewal), the magazine produced by the Africa Renewal UN Programme. That particular page is about proposed methods to give more aid to poorer African countries, mostly taxes that member countries would collect and then pay to the UN (including Tobin Taxes - taxes paid on currency exchanges and Carbon Taxes - proposed to be paid at the pump (yet another tax to increase the price of gasoline (I love embedded parenthesis))). This general distribution by the 59th session titled "Innovative sources of financing for development" in fact makes mention of more than just Tobin and Carbon taxes, but things as varied as Internet Taxes, Brain Drain Taxes, and Fishing Taxes as possible sources of revenue.

    So, these things exist. Ron Paul's not swinging at monsters that aren't there. Which brings me to the meat of this post (the above wasn't meaty?). I know, I know, cries of "TL;DR" resound. Please, I'm almost done. The press release I linked to more than a paragraph ago was released itself on June 15th 2006 and said that the Bill itself passed the House "last week". Having an aversion to any form of mathematics less complicated than trigonometry I just searched http://thomas.loc.gov for anything that went through the House in June of 2006 called "Foreign Actions". It came up with House Resolution 5522 (109th Congress) (link leads to govtrack, because the files fetched by a search on the Thomas website are stored in some temp folder and deleted after a few minutes.) What did Ron Paul have to do with this? Scroll down to SEC. 502. That's his contribution. It's a tiny line, just a sentence, but it does what he says. So what happened to the entire Foreign Actions Appropriations Bill of the 109th Congress? Well it passed the House and was moved on to the Senate where it was never voted on. Every two years Congress turns over and they remove from their books any unfinished business. This was one of those bills. So yeah, that's it. Ron Paul doesn't like the UN collecting taxes.
  • edited December 2007
    Way to go John. I found some stuff too, but they were all Google-results also, and some of the sites I looked at were not very comprehensive.

    The WTO has forced Congress to change our laws

    It seems that the WTO says the US is giving some unfair trade advantages to chemical and drug manufacturers under some law called the Byrd amendment. Some foreign companies are required to pay duties before bringing their chemicals into the US, for fear of dumping techniques (dumping in the economic sense means selling mass numbers of a product in an economy well below market price). However, US chemical manufacturers are allowed to collect parts of these duties. The WTO doesn't like this, and they've also been pressuring the US to change its tax laws accordingly, under threats of imposing heavy duties on US exports to the EU.

    I'm not sure if this is specifically what he's referencing, but it could be part of it. We Americans can be dicks at times, so we're probably pissing off the WTO in other areas as well.

    I'm working on the NAFTA one, but as you said John, it's hard to find stuff that's not conspiracy-oriented.
  • edited December 2007
    I feel like the reporter in The Ring.
  • edited December 2007
    So Ron Paul will kill you in seven days?
  • edited December 2007
    Unless I spread his message to other people. Why do you think I talk about him so much?
  • edited December 2007
    I thought you got killed whether you shared the video or not.
  • edited December 2007
    I don't know about Ringu, but in The Ring you survived the evil by becoming its herald.
  • edited December 2007
    "Join. DIE! Join. DIE!"

    *wonders if anyone will get the reference*
  • edited December 2007
    *vomits*
  • edited December 2007
    *doesn't recall any vomiting in Fallout 2*
  • edited December 2007
    Has anybody ever tried to read the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (H.R. 5110 103rd Congress)? I'm going cross-eyed with this piece of legislative spaghetti.
  • edited December 2007
    Most legislation is like that
  • edited December 2007
    AGH this is why I want a benevolent dictatorship.
  • edited December 2007
    Hamelin wrote: »
    I think elections should be government funded (and only a small stipend, at best) and no outside money should be allowed, not even the candidate's own money.

    These donations should be going to worthwhile charities, not wasteful political wrangling.

    We kinda tried that over here. FAILED.