"Since man's natural instincts lead him to sin, all men are sinners; and all sinners go to hell. If everyone goes to hell, then you will meet all your friends there."
I can't believe he actually says this, it seems like a fairly juvenile and un-informed statement. I really don't know a whole lot about Christianity so I don't know exactly what'll get you sent to hell and what won't; but I thought as long as you acknowledged and repented your sins you would get into heaven. I also vaguely remember original sin but that might have been canceled out by Jesus' sacrifice.
Well, this is where it gets sticky. All people have original sin. We always have. In the Old Testament times, you had to purify yourself. Like, if you touched a woman during her time of the month, or sat on her bed, or her chair, or touched her clothes, then you were considered unclean, and you had to go purfify yourself for a day or so. I am under the impression that if you did not purify yourself, you'd go to hell. If you spent your life dedicated to all of God's abritrary rules, you wouldn't suffer for eternity. You would also live for several hundred years apparently.
In the New Testament, Jesus' death and stuff cancelled out original sin, if you're willing to believe in him. If you accept Christ, you are forgiven, and you get to get into heaven. This is the fundamental aspect of it, but it breaks down into different denominations. In Catholicism, there is no salvation outside of the church. Very old and traditional Calvinism believed that because God is all knowing, he automatically knows if you are going to heaven or hell. Therefore, it is already known before you are born. It is predestination. However, a person destined to go to heaven will probably lead a good life, and a person destined to go to hell will probably lead a bad one.
As for hell, the details of hell are actually not covered in too much detail in the Bible. It's discussed in Revelations, but besides that it only gets a glancing reference here and there. Most information about Hell did not arrive in theology until around the Middle Ages, when the Church tried to frighten the commoners into believing (saw that on a TV show on Discovery Channel, can't source it, sorry).
So, hell is pretty much open to interpretation. The devil might take care of his own, and hell might not be so bad. It might be full of wild antics and crazy shenanigans, like in South Park. Maybe like in Little Nicky when those two guys get to rawk out for all eternity.
Or maybe you just burn in agonizing and unending hellfire for all eternity. I don't know. I guess we'll find out eventually.
Maybe you will. Amida buddha will save me.
Ok, i joined a little late, here. Anyone, correct me if I'm factually wrong with any of this...
I did research on Satanism a few years ago. In the middle ages it was originally founded as an anti-church organization. People were not pleased with the absolute power the church had and the control it had over the people and their thoughts. The upside-down cross and the "worship of satin" were just because they were the opposite of Christianity. At the time, it was basically just atheists.
Today, with LaVeyan Satanism, as Panda mentioned earlier, rule#1 is "[no stupid people]". This is where the major difference between an indifferent Atheist and a Satanist comes in. Since the church is no longer all-powerful, it is the individual Christians that the Satanists see as societies problem. Since they are, en masse, the cause for so many problems such as, opposition to gay marriage and other civil liberties, teaching creationism in schools, and the general abuse of science and skewing of information throughout society to undermine contrary ideas.
Personally, I agree with Andrew for my reasons of not taking my Atheism to that extreme. I don't mind most Christians, as long as they just practice their beliefs and leave me alone. I would feel hypocritical if I started telling them that their wrong. I really do hate lack of thought. People who just accept something completely without thinking about it annoy me. Unfortunately, that is the very definition of faith. So, if that is a person's reason for believing, I really can't tell them they're wrong.
ALSO: For the insane fundamentalist answer to that quote that Mish found, go here.
In Catholicism, there is no salvation outside of the church.
Not quite. It's only when you knowingly reject Catholic doctrine that there is no salvation, so if you never heard about Catholicism but still looked for God through your own methods or through some other church you will still be saved.
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I can't believe he actually says this, it seems like a fairly juvenile and un-informed statement. I really don't know a whole lot about Christianity so I don't know exactly what'll get you sent to hell and what won't; but I thought as long as you acknowledged and repented your sins you would get into heaven. I also vaguely remember original sin but that might have been canceled out by Jesus' sacrifice.
In the New Testament, Jesus' death and stuff cancelled out original sin, if you're willing to believe in him. If you accept Christ, you are forgiven, and you get to get into heaven. This is the fundamental aspect of it, but it breaks down into different denominations. In Catholicism, there is no salvation outside of the church. Very old and traditional Calvinism believed that because God is all knowing, he automatically knows if you are going to heaven or hell. Therefore, it is already known before you are born. It is predestination. However, a person destined to go to heaven will probably lead a good life, and a person destined to go to hell will probably lead a bad one.
As for hell, the details of hell are actually not covered in too much detail in the Bible. It's discussed in Revelations, but besides that it only gets a glancing reference here and there. Most information about Hell did not arrive in theology until around the Middle Ages, when the Church tried to frighten the commoners into believing (saw that on a TV show on Discovery Channel, can't source it, sorry).
So, hell is pretty much open to interpretation. The devil might take care of his own, and hell might not be so bad. It might be full of wild antics and crazy shenanigans, like in South Park. Maybe like in Little Nicky when those two guys get to rawk out for all eternity.
Or maybe you just burn in agonizing and unending hellfire for all eternity. I don't know. I guess we'll find out eventually.
Ok, i joined a little late, here. Anyone, correct me if I'm factually wrong with any of this...
I did research on Satanism a few years ago. In the middle ages it was originally founded as an anti-church organization. People were not pleased with the absolute power the church had and the control it had over the people and their thoughts. The upside-down cross and the "worship of satin" were just because they were the opposite of Christianity. At the time, it was basically just atheists.
Today, with LaVeyan Satanism, as Panda mentioned earlier, rule#1 is "[no stupid people]". This is where the major difference between an indifferent Atheist and a Satanist comes in. Since the church is no longer all-powerful, it is the individual Christians that the Satanists see as societies problem. Since they are, en masse, the cause for so many problems such as, opposition to gay marriage and other civil liberties, teaching creationism in schools, and the general abuse of science and skewing of information throughout society to undermine contrary ideas.
Personally, I agree with Andrew for my reasons of not taking my Atheism to that extreme. I don't mind most Christians, as long as they just practice their beliefs and leave me alone. I would feel hypocritical if I started telling them that their wrong. I really do hate lack of thought. People who just accept something completely without thinking about it annoy me. Unfortunately, that is the very definition of faith. So, if that is a person's reason for believing, I really can't tell them they're wrong.
ALSO: For the insane fundamentalist answer to that quote that Mish found, go here.
Not quite. It's only when you knowingly reject Catholic doctrine that there is no salvation, so if you never heard about Catholicism but still looked for God through your own methods or through some other church you will still be saved.