...it was a lame part with little substance, she was talking about herself not politics.
Lame, and little substance. No, that's pretty much politics spot on right there.
She brought up a number of issues she's handled as governor of Alaska. She also talked a bit about taxes and energy policy a bit (well, more Obama's policies, but whatever), but mostly she was criticising her critics for being unjustly critical of her qualifications or something to that effect.
Her stances on specific issues are, for the time, that she backs McCain I'd think. What more is there to say? She's running for VP, not President. For now it's probably more important to get a feel for her character.
I kinda wish I had seen some other speeches. I kinda caught this one on accident.
Romney's speech was bad... That's all. The longest applause I heard him get while I was watching was after he said, "Like many of you, I am proud to be an American." And it wasn't even at the end of a long diatribe, it was just out of the blue.
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that pipeline built."
"Our leaders are sending them out [soldiers to Iraq] on a task that is from God."
"He [the Pastor] is so bold, he's praying 'Lord, make a way! Lord, make a way!' And, um, I'm thinking, this guy is really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not 'O Lord if it be your will may she become Governor' or whatever, no, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened."
And from the pastor:
"There were some things about the natural resources, about the state, there were some things that God wants to tap into to be a refuge for the lower 48. And, I believe Alaska's one of the refuge states - come on, you guys - in the last days. And hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."
God damnit I hate all of their speeches at their stupid ass convention! Jakey put it best about Romney's speech: "Mitt Romney seems to use the word 'liberal' in a randomly pejorative fashion. I half expect him to say 'I was eating breakfast this morning, and my hash browns were all liberal. I sent them back and told the waitress to bring me some good, conservative hash browns.' " Romney used the word liberal 14 times in his speech, and if it were any more I would almost swear it were Ann Coulter up there masturbating herself every time she uttered it in her self righteous contemptuous tone.
And it's not just Republicans who do it too, but all politicians. They all talk about their 'humble' roots in American life. Why, when I was a child, I was just like you, I walked to school across molten coals and broken glass, and we did it without shoes! We only had one shoe for the whole modest humble town I came from! And I know what hard work is like, I used to work in the steel factory for 23 hours every day after school. My parents made 20 cents a day from their hard physical labor jobs, but we made do because we're hard working Americans.
SHUT THE FUCK UP
I don't want to hear about how goddamned modest your lifestyle was. Cause believe it or not, you grew up in America and became a successful politician, and barring a few notable exceptions here and there your life was probably not that shitty. You ever sell your body to feed your family? You ever have to steal to eat? Ever get caught and savagely beaten? Hell, let's localize this in America, how many of you had physically or sexually abusive parents?
And you're all probably exaggerating it all to hell anyway. What's that Huckabee, you used Lava soap in the shower as a kid, and you didn't know until college that showers weren't supposed to hurt? Fuck off, that's goddamned stupid, and anyone who believes you were that damned stupid shouldn't have the right to vote either.
I'm getting tired of politicians spewing this hot bile barely considered to be a speech. Both sides say exactly the same shit and think that they are unique for doing so. (Insert your party name here) stands for change in (liberal/conservative) Washington! (Insert your candidate name here) believes in the American dream, while (insert opponent name here) believes in raising taxes! (Insert opponent name here) wants to expand government and take more of your hard earned money, while (insert candidate name here) will lower taxes just for you! After all, (insert opponent name here) said before that (insert old controversial statement made by opponent taken out of context from several months ago).
Sigh. Backslash rant. I'm done now.
Edit: Fixed a few typos, I was apparently too blind with rage to catch them.
Well, I thought that if you were an atheist you shouldn't care about the candidate's religions. Unless of course you happen to make atheism your religion, as seems to be the case with many atheists.
And Blob, that would be a good bet, every single president has been Christian. I want to say almost all of them has been Protestant too, except for Kennedy being Catholic, but I might be off on that. Jakey should know that.
We're a long way off from having an atheist president, but 50 years ago pollsters didn't even bother asking if people would support a black candidate.
Sometimes it's a flaw and sometimes it's a strength, but the American people have an extremely short memory when looking at the long term. We're like goldfish when we talk about the collective memory of a nation. Other countries have long standing hatred of each other that still exists today. China/Japan has issues, which I'm personally familiar with. Lots of European countries have issues with each other, and I'm sure Bruce could tell us more about those. But every 20-30 years America finds someone new to hate while embracing previous enemies as our friends. In WWII we were terrified of a Yellow Threat from Japan, but now we're just plain chummy. While it's going to take us a much longer time to shake religion as a necessity in people, it seems public and political opinion is fluid enough to where it should be eventually possible.
And who knows, maybe an atheist president wouldn't be any better or worse than a religious one. He or she might still have that smug self-righteous way of himself, it will just be in their belief that there is no god.
Here is a list of Presidents with religious affiliation that may be considered distinct from regular Christianity:
George Washington – Episcopalian/Deist
Thomas Jefferson – Episcopalian/Deist
James Madison – Episcopalian/Deist
James Monroe - Episcopalian/Deist
Before the revolution Virginia's state church was the Church of England, and all of these Presidents from the state were affiliated with it. However, many of the Founding Fathers believed in Deism, a rational philosophical worldview that the Enlightenment was based on. They did not see a contradiction between these two beliefs.
John Adams - Unitarian
John Quincy Adams - Unitarian
The Adams Family were mostly Unitarian, which means that they believe in most of the basic tenets of Christianity except they deny the divinity of Christ.
Abraham Lincoln - ?
Lincoln is an interesting case. In his younger days he was very anti-religion, but was still very knowledgeable in the Bible and sometimes attended a Presbyterian Church in Springfield with his wife. Some of his close friends writing immediately after his death said that despite his loving to read the Bible, it was motivated by atheist or deistic beliefs.
It is later on, however, that things get murky. Years after his assassination, several Christian ministers came forward with accounts of Lincoln's conversion to Protestantism, usually motivated by the death of his son or the Civil War. These accounts, coupled with Lincoln's propensity to quote from the Bible, reinforce the common misconception that Lincoln was a devout Christian. If the accounts of his contemporaries are to be believed, he probably wasn't anything of the sort.
Andrew Johnson - None
Andrew Johnson was rumored to be an atheist when he was President, but how legitimate that is can't be determined since it probably was just a sign of his unpopularity at the time. There are no records of his attending a church regularly, however.
William Howard Taft - Unitarian
Taft turned down an offer to be President of Yale because it, at the time, was affiliated with the Congregational Church and he said his belief against the divinity of Christ would be a conflict of interest.
Dunno if you've read this, but I think it's pretty interesting. It's an e-mail written by Anne Kilkenny about Palin that was passed around through forwarding until it ended up on some website, and now a lot of people are listening to her. It's somewhat long, but very informative (if it is in fact accurate-- I trust it, but then again I have nothing that would lead me to believe it were true or made up).
You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .
*sniff* *sniff* I'm not a kook I’m just misunderstood
Dunno if you've read this, but I think it's pretty interesting. It's an e-mail written by Anne Kilkenny about Palin that was passed around through forwarding until it ended up on some website, and now a lot of people are listening to her. It's somewhat long, but very informative (if it is in fact accurate-- I trust it, but then again I have nothing that would lead me to believe it were true or made up).
I figured this would be a could place to post it.
I read that article yesterday...kinda rant-y, but definitely interesting...
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The professors always right.
Lame, and little substance. No, that's pretty much politics spot on right there.
She brought up a number of issues she's handled as governor of Alaska. She also talked a bit about taxes and energy policy a bit (well, more Obama's policies, but whatever), but mostly she was criticising her critics for being unjustly critical of her qualifications or something to that effect.
Her stances on specific issues are, for the time, that she backs McCain I'd think. What more is there to say? She's running for VP, not President. For now it's probably more important to get a feel for her character.
I kinda wish I had seen some other speeches. I kinda caught this one on accident.
E) Pigs fly out of my ass
A few highlights:
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that pipeline built."
"Our leaders are sending them out [soldiers to Iraq] on a task that is from God."
"He [the Pastor] is so bold, he's praying 'Lord, make a way! Lord, make a way!' And, um, I'm thinking, this guy is really bold, he doesn't even know what I'm gonna do, he doesn't know what my plans are, and he's praying not 'O Lord if it be your will may she become Governor' or whatever, no, he just prayed for it. He said, 'Lord, make a way and let her do this next step.' And that's exactly what happened."
And from the pastor:
"There were some things about the natural resources, about the state, there were some things that God wants to tap into to be a refuge for the lower 48. And, I believe Alaska's one of the refuge states - come on, you guys - in the last days. And hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."
And it's not just Republicans who do it too, but all politicians. They all talk about their 'humble' roots in American life. Why, when I was a child, I was just like you, I walked to school across molten coals and broken glass, and we did it without shoes! We only had one shoe for the whole modest humble town I came from! And I know what hard work is like, I used to work in the steel factory for 23 hours every day after school. My parents made 20 cents a day from their hard physical labor jobs, but we made do because we're hard working Americans.
SHUT THE FUCK UP
I don't want to hear about how goddamned modest your lifestyle was. Cause believe it or not, you grew up in America and became a successful politician, and barring a few notable exceptions here and there your life was probably not that shitty. You ever sell your body to feed your family? You ever have to steal to eat? Ever get caught and savagely beaten? Hell, let's localize this in America, how many of you had physically or sexually abusive parents?
And you're all probably exaggerating it all to hell anyway. What's that Huckabee, you used Lava soap in the shower as a kid, and you didn't know until college that showers weren't supposed to hurt? Fuck off, that's goddamned stupid, and anyone who believes you were that damned stupid shouldn't have the right to vote either.
I'm getting tired of politicians spewing this hot bile barely considered to be a speech. Both sides say exactly the same shit and think that they are unique for doing so. (Insert your party name here) stands for change in (liberal/conservative) Washington! (Insert your candidate name here) believes in the American dream, while (insert opponent name here) believes in raising taxes! (Insert opponent name here) wants to expand government and take more of your hard earned money, while (insert candidate name here) will lower taxes just for you! After all, (insert opponent name here) said before that (insert old controversial statement made by opponent taken out of context from several months ago).
Sigh. Backslash rant. I'm done now.
Edit: Fixed a few typos, I was apparently too blind with rage to catch them.
Oh and I loved the rant serephel.
And Blob, that would be a good bet, every single president has been Christian. I want to say almost all of them has been Protestant too, except for Kennedy being Catholic, but I might be off on that. Jakey should know that.
We're a long way off from having an atheist president, but 50 years ago pollsters didn't even bother asking if people would support a black candidate.
Sometimes it's a flaw and sometimes it's a strength, but the American people have an extremely short memory when looking at the long term. We're like goldfish when we talk about the collective memory of a nation. Other countries have long standing hatred of each other that still exists today. China/Japan has issues, which I'm personally familiar with. Lots of European countries have issues with each other, and I'm sure Bruce could tell us more about those. But every 20-30 years America finds someone new to hate while embracing previous enemies as our friends. In WWII we were terrified of a Yellow Threat from Japan, but now we're just plain chummy. While it's going to take us a much longer time to shake religion as a necessity in people, it seems public and political opinion is fluid enough to where it should be eventually possible.
And who knows, maybe an atheist president wouldn't be any better or worse than a religious one. He or she might still have that smug self-righteous way of himself, it will just be in their belief that there is no god.
George Washington – Episcopalian/Deist
Thomas Jefferson – Episcopalian/Deist
James Madison – Episcopalian/Deist
James Monroe - Episcopalian/Deist
Before the revolution Virginia's state church was the Church of England, and all of these Presidents from the state were affiliated with it. However, many of the Founding Fathers believed in Deism, a rational philosophical worldview that the Enlightenment was based on. They did not see a contradiction between these two beliefs.
John Adams - Unitarian
John Quincy Adams - Unitarian
The Adams Family were mostly Unitarian, which means that they believe in most of the basic tenets of Christianity except they deny the divinity of Christ.
Abraham Lincoln - ?
Lincoln is an interesting case. In his younger days he was very anti-religion, but was still very knowledgeable in the Bible and sometimes attended a Presbyterian Church in Springfield with his wife. Some of his close friends writing immediately after his death said that despite his loving to read the Bible, it was motivated by atheist or deistic beliefs.
It is later on, however, that things get murky. Years after his assassination, several Christian ministers came forward with accounts of Lincoln's conversion to Protestantism, usually motivated by the death of his son or the Civil War. These accounts, coupled with Lincoln's propensity to quote from the Bible, reinforce the common misconception that Lincoln was a devout Christian. If the accounts of his contemporaries are to be believed, he probably wasn't anything of the sort.
Andrew Johnson - None
Andrew Johnson was rumored to be an atheist when he was President, but how legitimate that is can't be determined since it probably was just a sign of his unpopularity at the time. There are no records of his attending a church regularly, however.
William Howard Taft - Unitarian
Taft turned down an offer to be President of Yale because it, at the time, was affiliated with the Congregational Church and he said his belief against the divinity of Christ would be a conflict of interest.
And there we have it.
I figured this would be a could place to post it.
*sniff* *sniff* I'm not a kook I’m just misunderstood
Some people can pull it off, I don't think he did very well.
Jake, you told me you loved me...
...oh my god....
I read that article yesterday...kinda rant-y, but definitely interesting...
Speaking of Sarah Palin and interesting...
http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm