I'd hardly consider Ganon to be a spoiler. It's like saying the Triforce in Zelda is a spoiler.
Given how far in the game until Ganon is first mentioned and Zant's potential for being an end boss, I'd say it's a minor spoiler. Not having Ganon isn't unheard of.
Un-Twilight Princess related: I have a theory that in Minish Cap, the Master Sword became the Four Sword, and The Legend of Zelda's "Magic Sword" is unrelated.
Interesting, but according to my time line, the one in the Zelda Retrospectives (listed in a previous post), Minish cap came first. The Master sword didn't exist yet apparently. It was apparently awakended in the Ocarina of Time.
I actually have not played link's awakening, but I understood that the manual mentioned people worried about Ganon returning (like in AoL) which could refer to ALttP in the same way Majora's Mask refers to Ocarina of Time, Aol to LoZ, or PH to Wind waker. THe "Picori Blade" in Minish Cap has a violet/black hilt like the Master Sword (before it is shattered), which goes with my other theory.
Oh yeah, I know about the manual because I saw screenshots of each page.
Zelda I and II are the last in the series, because Ganon is dead. Like, dead dead. Not trapped in the Spirit Realm or in stone with a sword in his face at the bottom of the ocean, but seriously and for reals dead. Since he's dead in those games, no other game that features him can take place afterward.
But for serious, timeline theory-building can only end in tears. We will never make a definitive timeline that can stand up to scrutiny (I should know, I've done a hell of a lot of the scrutinizing, mostly on the Zelda Universe forums). I made one once that worked pretty well, but then those pesky Four Swords-era titles came out and screwed it all up. A Zelda game that precedes Ocarina of Time? Blasphemy!
It wasn't truly him in the Oracle games. They established that they had only revived a hollow shell of Ganon.
Also, Link's Awakening directly follows the Oracle games. Link goes sailing off in a ship at the end!
EDIT: I'm not disputing your timeline theory with that last bit (as you seem to agree with me), I just had to state it for the record. I hate when people say LA isn't related to the Oracle games. They're just wrong.
Aww, I for some reason wanted to keep discussing timeline theories. I have a morbid fascination with them, despite (because of?) their futility. I especially had fun when people tried to tell me there was only one Link. I wanted to send a punch through my computer screen, over the Internet, and into their faces.
disregard my other post then.
I heard that when link returned from termina he went forward like thousands of years. that theory never fit more than five games in.
Shit like that makes me want to write up the definitive timeline I've had in my head all this time so I have something half-sane to point to. The only thing worse than including the CD-i games is using fanfiction to fill in the gaps, and this page did both.
Zelda I and II are the last in the series, because Ganon is dead. Like, dead dead. Not trapped in the Spirit Realm or in stone with a sword in his face at the bottom of the ocean...
I'm interested to hear your theory on how Ganondorf is not dead at the end of The Wind Waker. He's lost the Triforce of Power (the thing that kept him alive after getting his ass handed to him so many times), he's got a sword through his skull, and he's now a stone statue stuck in what used to be Hyrule, which is now washed away forever. I don't mean to be condescending or anything like that (even though I'm sure I'll sound that way by accident, so pre-emptive strike on myself), but I'd really love to hear how you think he's going to get himself out of this one.
And as for the start of the timeline, they need a sequel to The Minish Cap, and they need it nowish. Vaati was sealed in the Four Sword at the start of Four Swords. He's not sealed at the end of The Minish Cap. Hurry up and fill this plot gap, Nintendo.
I've never even bothered to consider continuity between the Zelda games. Trying to do so requires great leaps of faith, and personally I don't think it's really worth it. I just play each game as if they're independent of everything else. Like Final Fantasy*
But then again, if I had played every single one, I may think otherwise.
I'm interested to hear your theory on how Ganondorf is not dead at the end of The Wind Waker. He's lost the Triforce of Power (the thing that kept him alive after getting his ass handed to him so many times), he's got a sword through his skull, and he's now a stone statue stuck in what used to be Hyrule, which is now washed away forever. I don't mean to be condescending or anything like that (even though I'm sure I'll sound that way by accident, so pre-emptive strike on myself), but I'd really love to hear how you think he's going to get himself out of this one.
That was Ganondorf. The games after have Ganon.
At least, accoridng to my theory.
LttP - Link kills Ganon
Oracle Games - Twinrova brings Ganon back to life (sort of)
LA - Link goes away and stuff
WW - world is flooded
PH - the sequel
LoZ - NOT the same Hyrule
AoL - I have no idea. ZC
Haha, just caught that. Too bad you're wrong! Zelda Comic is a direct sequel to OoT and MM that assumes Link eventually came back to Hyrule. Also it pretends there's only one Link, so that I get to reference games with other Links.
Honestly, I never saw it suggested that he died in that game, so I don't fully understand where you're coming from with that question. He seemed to be magically sealed in stone. With a sword to the face. Takes more than that to keep a good villian down.
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I know he was in four swords adventures, but he wasn't in four swords.
Given how far in the game until Ganon is first mentioned and Zant's potential for being an end boss, I'd say it's a minor spoiler. Not having Ganon isn't unheard of.
link 1: ocarina of time
majoras mask
link 2: twilight princess
link 3: wind waker
phantom hourglass
link 4: a link to the past
oracle of seasons/ages
links awakening
minish cap
link 5: four swords
four swords adventures
the legend of zelda
adventure of link
I think thats it.
Oh yeah, I know about the manual because I saw screenshots of each page.
Also, Link and Zelda/Tetra go to look for the new Hyrule.
Of course I've only learned this through research, so yeah...
But for serious, timeline theory-building can only end in tears. We will never make a definitive timeline that can stand up to scrutiny (I should know, I've done a hell of a lot of the scrutinizing, mostly on the Zelda Universe forums). I made one once that worked pretty well, but then those pesky Four Swords-era titles came out and screwed it all up. A Zelda game that precedes Ocarina of Time? Blasphemy!
My theory is that he did not truly die in the oracle games.
Also, Link's Awakening directly follows the Oracle games. Link goes sailing off in a ship at the end!
EDIT: I'm not disputing your timeline theory with that last bit (as you seem to agree with me), I just had to state it for the record. I hate when people say LA isn't related to the Oracle games. They're just wrong.
Psedo-spoilers: I completely missed the wolf on death mountain, and can't find him.
disregard my other post then.
I heard that when link returned from termina he went forward like thousands of years. that theory never fit more than five games in.
I mean just *shudder*
Shit like that makes me want to write up the definitive timeline I've had in my head all this time so I have something half-sane to point to. The only thing worse than including the CD-i games is using fanfiction to fill in the gaps, and this page did both.
I'm interested to hear your theory on how Ganondorf is not dead at the end of The Wind Waker. He's lost the Triforce of Power (the thing that kept him alive after getting his ass handed to him so many times), he's got a sword through his skull, and he's now a stone statue stuck in what used to be Hyrule, which is now washed away forever. I don't mean to be condescending or anything like that (even though I'm sure I'll sound that way by accident, so pre-emptive strike on myself), but I'd really love to hear how you think he's going to get himself out of this one.
And as for the start of the timeline, they need a sequel to The Minish Cap, and they need it nowish. Vaati was sealed in the Four Sword at the start of Four Swords. He's not sealed at the end of The Minish Cap. Hurry up and fill this plot gap, Nintendo.
But then again, if I had played every single one, I may think otherwise.
*Excluding FFX-2
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That was Ganondorf. The games after have Ganon.
At least, accoridng to my theory.
OoT - the first one
MM - the sequel
TP - Nintendo said so
LttP - Link kills Ganon
Oracle Games - Twinrova brings Ganon back to life (sort of)
LA - Link goes away and stuff
WW - world is flooded
PH - the sequel
LoZ - NOT the same Hyrule
AoL - I have no idea.
ZC
I have no idea about the Four Swords ones.
Ganon and Ganondorf are the same person. Ocarina of Time made that pretty clear.
Haha, just caught that. Too bad you're wrong! Zelda Comic is a direct sequel to OoT and MM that assumes Link eventually came back to Hyrule. Also it pretends there's only one Link, so that I get to reference games with other Links.